The babble of a middle-aged lunatic.
Spying vs. Monitoring a childs use of the internet.
Published on October 27, 2006 By Xythe In Parenting
Should parents and guardians spy on their children’s internet use?

It should be of no mystery to us that the internet is a potential breeding ground for many types of predators. Pedophiles, stalkers, serial killers and whatever other form of depraved individual (or group) that one can imagine.

Our young children are very susceptible to the manipulation of other adults. I for one do NOT want my daughter seeking important advice from somebody I do not know over the internet; would you?

What is the line between spying on our children’s internet activity and doing ones job as a parent by protecting our children from predators or meddling adults over the internet?

Some people may argue that a younger child should not have access to the internet. However, I disagree. Why limit an extremely valuable learning resource, and a practical end-user experience to older kids and adults exclusively? The extra knowledge and practical skills will come in very handy later on in life, and the head start perhaps invaluable.

I decided it was time for my 11-year-old daughter (at the time) to have her own PC with access to the internet. I told her straight off what kinds of “bad” things she may run across while surfing. I told her what she was allowed to do, and what she was not allowed to do. Basically, I explained much of what I know could possibly cause her harm as a result of dealing with certain people online.

I explained she was a big girl now, and I felt she was responsible enough to surf the internet, and use a computer of her own. I made it very clear that I would be making sure she kept up to my expectations, and would monitor her PC usage regularly. When she asked me why, I told her, “because I love you kiddo, and I don’t want anything harmful coming your way”.

I showed her what she could and could not do on her PC. I set up an email account and an IM for her, and then showed her how to use them. I enabled some parental controls to help keep off the porn. I also told her I had set up monitoring software that allows me to see exactly what she does while online. I told her if she abused any part of what I told her, she would begin losing PC privileges until she could show me she was responsible enough to have them back.

I then took her to my PC and showed her that I could in fact see EVERYTHING she did. I made it very clear that should she step outside our agreement, I would strap her PC so tight she may as well not use it. She agreed. I was quite impressed with her.

To date, she being now 14-years-old, I have not really needed to restrict Shelby’s internet use very often, and I rarely even have a look at what she does. I was pretty amazed that she never even once asked me to uninstall the monitoring software. That’s my GREAT kid


Would you do something similar with your children as I did with my daughter Shelby?

Do you feel an 11-year-old is to young to operate her own PC and have access to the internet?

What would you do differently?

Comments (Page 2)
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on Oct 27, 2006
Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Friday, October 27, 2006I think as a parent you have the duty to watch what your kids are looking at on the internet.



They mainly play games but will occassionally look something up for a school project. I have not allowed them to have their own emails or IM's yet. My middle asked but didn't push it, so I just let it go.


I found mostly as you said, and a lot of music searches and the like. There was very little use in the way of email for nearly 2 years and the only use of her IM for quite a while was from me "letting" her know I was "there (in the beginning).
on Oct 27, 2006
Having had Internet access since I was roughly 10 (1992), I remember a time when the 'net actually was pretty darn safe for kids.


Me too. Back in 1992 I believe the emergance of WWW and HTTP was first implemented. Stuff like porn was only found on newsgroops in binary and required a lot of time to download and convert them to viewable images. It was all a little tougher in the days of 2400baud
on Oct 27, 2006
I think though, Xythe, that some parents let their kids on the internet and don't give them those guidelines, which is a pity.


Its paramount to allowing their children use the internet. Anything short of electronic "watching" or physical watching is IMHO negligent and inviting problems.
on Oct 27, 2006
I think that you're doing the right thing by setting guidelines for her,....


Thank you

I have three kids, and I'm proud to say I snoop on their internet sessions. They know that if they violate one of the rules I have set for them regarding being online, then they won't get to be online for a veerrrry long time. Like months. They know that I mean it, and they haven't violated - yet, anyway!


Two thumbs up!!
on Oct 27, 2006
And for every tool there is a way around it.


This tool was pretty good, and tough to hide from. Between this and the remote access I was very satisfied.

I am bored with their chat sites (I did reprimand one son for his language), and the rest is a bore as well.


As I said, so far, a bore, and some nasty language. And a lot of songs and movies.


I found quite a bit of this as well. I too was mostly, as you mentioned, bored.
on Oct 27, 2006
I think you seem to be doing it right Xythe.


Thanks KFC

I was concerned with not only the bad and ugly stuff on the net, but also the addiction of being on all the time,


Make no mistake that this was, and still is to some extent an issue. In fact, many of the "discussions" Shelby and I have/had concerning the internet were just based on this issue alone, rather than her poor surfing habits.

We did know one HS girl who met an older guy on the net and ran off with him getting herself pregnant. Her parents did all they could to stop her but to no avail


OMG, too fears in one lump! Believe me, this has always been and still is a MAJOR concern of mine.
on Oct 27, 2006
I agree, it's not spying, it's parenting. Being aware of what your children are up to is taking care of them. I dont' have spyware and stuff like that. Although my two oldest 17 and 12, have a computer in their rooms, there is no internet on those. The internet is on the one I use which is in the living room. I keep track and I use passwords and I'm the administrator, no one else. It's important for parents to watch out for their children.
on Oct 27, 2006
I guess that makes me responsible..


Yes it does. Its also commendable.

...I never went crazy with anything on there.


Shelby has not either, but there have been issues.
on Oct 27, 2006
I did not have access to the internet till I was older. Actually I did not get my hands on a PC till I was in 11th grade in 1992-93. Sad huh? I bought my first PC at around 23.

I guess if you feel it’s OK to allow your kids access to the internet at her age that’s cool. I think it all depends on the child. That word right there says it all, child. We tend to insult others by calling them children cause we know they don’t always know better. That’s why we the parents are here for. My oldest son, 8 years old, is pretty good getting around the PC and finding his games that I installed for him. He has his own PC but it’s not working to well but he does not have internet. I only got mine a month ago so he has not had a taste of it for a long time. I showed him a few game sites such as Cartoon Network, Nick Jr and Sesame Street and he likes them. He, however, has not mastered how to find his way around the internet (not that it bothers me ). I’m not comfortable with him using the internet yet, maybe in a few years. I plan to upgrade his PC as soon as I have a chance.

The internet is a very dangerous place. The TV shows it everyday, reports of children and teens finding their way to strangers who in most cases turn out to be sick people, the weird sites out their, Myspace.com, etc. It’s too much. I will do my best to make sure he learns to use it wisely and I will most likely follow in your foot steps with software. The way I see it, my house, my rules. Until he joins the work force and the bill paying clan, he will have to deal with my concern for his safety, and even afterwards .

My sister has been very sloppy with her girls who are 14 and 15. I spent every weekend almost literally using a pressure hose to clean out all the spyware, viruses and garbage programs they would install every time they went to these strange sites her friends would tell them to go to get emoticons, pictures of their fav singers and actors, dumb games and chatting with others using names such as Kitty Cat (which I think is not appropriate for their age, there is a reason for picking it in the first place and it has nothing to do with liking pets).

You deserve some props for doing a good job with you kids Xythe. I can only hope to repeat your success. I will try my best, and then some.
on Oct 27, 2006
Stuff like porn was only found on newsgroops in binary and required a lot of time to download and convert them to viewable images. It was all a little tougher in the days of 2400baud


Kinda interesting how not only did you know how to find it, but also how long it took to download and how to convert it. Hmmm, wonder what you were up to on the Internet in 1992. .
on Oct 27, 2006
I agree with pretty much with all that is being said... I mean as a kid, I can remember my older siblings warning me that my parents were known to snoop through our rooms to make sure that we werent trying to hide anything...Of course that pissed me off as a kid. But now I understand why they did it....

Ive met so many parents these days that just let their kids " go at it " on the computer without a second thought, or glance, and it disgusts me. The computer opens a whole new world of trouble to kids ( if it is used in the wrong way ), and to not worry or wonder about what children are viewing, and/or who they are talking to online, only tells me that the parent does not care about the child(ren) ........For example, I have a best friend who has a li'l brother...Probably about 5 yrs ago when he was at the age of 16 his parents starting letting him have full reign of what he chose to do on the internet....In exchange, they were met with a credit card bill ranging in the $1,000s ...While they were away "not wanting to get into his business" , he was charging their credit cards through porn sites, and what not.....On the other hand, as a younger teenager, I was a part of a chat website. Come to find out , there was a man that was prowling on younger girls and ended being thrown in jail after it came about that he had murdered a few of the ones he met through that chat room.... So it is completly in the right for the parents to want to supervise what their children do on the internet...No matter what!
on Oct 27, 2006
Stupid double posting......sorry Xythe...
on Oct 28, 2006
Until your kids are 18, you have a responsibility to protect them from the dangers of the "real world" as well as the internet which for those of you who are reading this know, is just an extension of the one in which we live. Ethical or not, being a responsible parent requires that you develop and guide responsible children. A lot of events mainly negative and scary, in our nation and communities are the direct result of parents who do not take or make the time to do this job while they are able to influence and shape their children.

If kids are expected to be able to maturely and responsibility use computers in their school and later work life they need to be equipped with the skils to use them and also able to develope their own censors and through processes, on their own influences they do not wish incorporate into their life outlook. Kids just aren't able to do this well as young ages, thats why they need parents as guides.

As your kids mature and age, "the spying act" so lame to call it that, must be balanced with the need of young adults to learn about the dangers of the world. Just like you teach kids about fire, or sex, or drugs, and smoking, you teach them about predators both in society, in business, at the workplace, and in the online realm. To not do so is more dangerous then letting your kids surf online with no supervison at all.

The problem isn't with some parents, or even most, it's with the few that don't equip their "Great kid" with the skills to deal with the world as they grow up.
on Oct 28, 2006

I still know families that refuse to get online for various reasons, although it's getting harder not to be since our world is so connected via the net.

I never go on the Internet...the Internet is EVIL!

Oh, wait...umm, nevermind!

I really shouldn't make comments at the end of a graveyard shift!

on Oct 28, 2006
The internet really is too valuable a tool to restrict access. Computers are too tightly integrated with our life now, and kids should get an experience of using the internet as a research tool early.
If you don't help a child become computer literate, they may aswell not go to school at all. Most decent jobs will depend on computer literacy (of course, surgeons and lawyers don't have to worry so much).

It is ethical to spy on internet use if it is to keep the child safe, but not if it's to restrict access too tightly.
Setting up email and IM accounts are very good ideas, especially as this will allow them to chat to friends, but the IM software will allow them to be less prone to meeting perverts than being on, say, a chatroom or forum.

Restricting every site they visit is a bit much, but blocking the obvious porn sites, setting up anti-phishing, etc. are all great ideas, and will help the kid.
As Dan Greene said, it's your responsibility to keep kids safe atleast until they're over 18.
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