Anyway, I figure Adam would have known if he was getting sloppy seconds of off Eve.

Exactly. I figure, Adam fell - that's why we exist. And so we can now live and be happy. If he hadn't fallen, they never would've had kids - the knowledge wasn't there yet, because . . . ahem . . . no fruit had been consumed.

We should revere our first parents, not revile them. They are two of God's most faithful children, and were honored with being the parents of the human race. We should treat them as such.

Exactly. I figure, Adam fell - that's why we exist. And so we can now live and be happy. If he hadn't fallen, they never would've had kids - the knowledge wasn't there yet, because . . . ahem . . . no fruit had been consumed.

hey SC this is not right exactly. They were told to be fruitful and muliply BEFORE the fall. Check out 1:28-30

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearingg seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.  30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is lifeh, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The way I've always seen it is their fall happened pretty quickly. Just like sin happens....quickly. Satan is always in a hurry. The exact opposit of a patient God. Everything about him is a mirror image of God....ie backwards.

They were told to be fruitful and muliply BEFORE the fall. Check out 1:28-30

They might have been told to, but it's not like God pulled out the flipcharts and explained it to them. That's why Adam decided to partake of the fruit - having seen Eve fallen, he knew that to obey that first commandment - to multiply and replenish - was now impossible because Eve would be cast out. Consequently, they were able to multiply and replenish . . . because he fell.

Lehi, a prophet here in the Americas said it best, and I sorta paraphrased it: "Adam fell that man might be, and men are, that they might have joy." As I said, it was essential that we might come here and Christ might come and save us.

Now, you all can criticize my belief in other scripture, but I know that the above statement is true. Thanks to Adam's good decision making, we're here and we can enjoy our lives.

I won't criticize you SC only to say I only go by the scriptures and don't go beyond what is written. It's written elsewhere in the bible that Adam sinned and it's not considered a "good decision." Actually that's the first time I've ever heard it put that way.....  

I only have one question......how do you "know the above statement is true"?

how do you "know the above statement is true"?

When God's holy spirit burns within you and tells you it's true, and that there is more to scripture than what's found simply in the bible, then you do what his holy spirit tells you to do. That's pretty much all I can say on the matter . . . I'm sure you'd understand . . .

and that there is more to scripture than what's found simply in the bible,

but isn't that what Satan said to Eve...."did God really say?" Wasn't he adding to the scriptures? Aren't we supposed to "test the spirits?" It has to be more than just a feeling, burning or not.

I'm sure you'd understand . . .

I think you're talking about the burning in the bosom?

I agree with the HS confirming and speaking to us, but the HS never contradicts his own word or adds to it. When you say Adam sinned deliberately isn't that adding something? He even blamed Eve trying to get out of his predicament with God. Actually we don't really know what his motivation was. All we know is he fell.

I think we're probably at a "let's agree to disagree here."   

I think we're probably at a "let's agree to disagree here."

We do usually get to that point, but at least we're nice to each other about it.

Cheers!

Cheers!

Cheers SC!!!  

what you're doing here is preaching to the peanut gallery

I so don't eat peanuts! I just like to see the blood flowing from all the little wounds . . .   

So the way I see it is that all the races were born of Noah and his families; those surviving the flood by chilling on the ark.

All races evolved from those 3 bloodlines via environmental conditions, or the genepool was intact at our creation and the ability for any race to be born of any couple was possible.

From the scriptures, all I get is that whatever people lived after the flood, all races came from Noahs 3 sons as well as himself.

Orion, apologies for finding your reply and responding so long after you wrote.

I read the conversation you referenced in the bible, but what I read did not conform to what you said. You specifically identified an order not represented in the text.
Here: “As Christ told Nicodemus, when asked how one could participate in the Kingdom of God, that one must be born in heaven and then born into flesh.”
Then I read:
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not generated from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to Him, How is a man able to be generated, being old? He is not able to enter into his mother's womb a second time and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not generated out of water and Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That having been generated out of the flesh is flesh, and that having been generated out of the Spirit is spirit…

Now, you obviously have some material to work with here. But you presented a reverse order of what Jesus says, and then you specify that it _must_ occur in your divergent order. Your “a man must first be born in heaven” angle can’t be upheld with these verses that I can see. So I’d like it if you could show me some where you could base your argument from or how you are approaching this text. It would seem Jesus is putting your cart before the horse

You say: “No one can ascend back to Heaven” so I must know what says that people came from heaven to begin with. I would also like to see where you base your suggestion that these people born in heaven are “elohim.” Assuming that most or all of the early twelve tribes were these spirit people, why does God describe different people as elohim? Especially if these people of particular consequence are naturally spirit-people as per God’s favor and installing them in positions of power. If someone in the Tanakh refers to Elohim doing something, how do I know if it’s actually God or another spirit-person?
If God is conversing with these pre-human spirit-people in the opening of Genesis, why are people made in his/their image? Do humans naturally bear a specific resemblance to these pre-humans? How so? What specifies that Adam is different? Is there something in Gen 2:7?

Could you tell me what happens to the spirit-people and the pure-flesh people after they die? It would be especially helpful if you could show me scriptures talking about specific pure-flesh folks. Are any prominent ‘good guys’ in the text?

Please tell me more about this alternate dimension of existence, “It is a dimension of light and not of atomic structure.” If it is based on light, we’re talking about a more intermingled relationship between matter and energy? Why is it that an altogether different structure is called for? Do you base this entirely off of references to God and those things attributed to him as ‘light?’ Like John 1 as an example. I know there are references to the presence of God destroying people, but what I usually hear claimed as the cause is sin. I can jump on your boat for that and say its because they aren’t actually spirit-people. So then, can you show me scripture that talks about this dimension itself destroying people instead of it being an attribute of God?
And how does this alternate dimension come to exist on a portion of the earth? I am a little familiar with some different theories about expanded dimensions in quantum physics and such. Is there one that you think adequately hints at what you believe?

I'm excited about hearing back from ya! (...and not excited by this UI I'm replying in)

I'm excited about hearing back from ya! (...and not excited by this UI I'm replying in)

I like blogging with Orion. He has some very interesting points to raise at times.

The UI is a bit finicky at times aint it

TO ALL

Let us begin with horsewhipping, then hanging from the yardarm, then drawn and quartered, made to walk the plank, placed in an iron maiden, stretched on the rack, buried up to my neck in sand and have honed poured over my head and let the ants have their turn............................sufficient?

SAN CHONINO

So there you go, Orionsbelt. Be glad you're nowhere nearby, or you'd be in a lot of pain. If you honestly believe that it's a transgression, you need to get on your knees and ask God to open your nailed-shut eyes. Assclown.

First of all, never bring empty threats to a gun fight. What I supplied from the word of God is the word of God, I cannot help it if you do not find it to your liking. Why not read Ezra 9&10 just for fun.

XYTHE

Since you have dusted off your Strong's, look up entry number 119 in the Hebrew dictionary. I know it will not make a bit of difference, but do so anyway.

LITTLE WHIP


For example, if you studied some of the books and essays that the Aryan Nations have published on the topic, you'd find a lot of ammo to use while supporting your main argument. There are scriptures pertaining to the topic that I've yet to see you quote, and they are more compelling than the ones I have seen you quote. This is not 'preaching to the choir' lol, this is looking to the choir for reinforcement and validation of beliefs you already embrace.

By the same token, what you're doing here is preaching to the peanut gallery, and they will use every device available to tear your argument apart, including each other. You ought to listen to them, again, you might learn something.

Oh am I learning something! No, as much as you would like to see me wrap myself around the aryan thing, I'll not sit under the shade of that tree.
I told you already that I am not interested in anyone else's work. What I write must stand on its own as I have come to understand it. I need no one elses banner to fly. Other arguments may or may not aid, it matters to me not. I am going to stick with what I have found on my own, lacking or not.
As to listening to others as to learn something.......I cannot make myself disbelieve what I have come to believe. I was there and have moved out of that fog. By the reverse, I cannot seem to get to anyone here anyway, no matter what I quote from the Bible, Hebrew or not. I have come under attack and yet here I am still and for what? What do I gain? I am sharing information and thats it, I cannot force anyone to believe and I do not force anything on anyone. The seeds will take hold and grow if they land on fertile soil, and that is all one can do.

Avecrien

To do exactly as you asked would take me about a month. All one needs read is what Christ said. I know the text says born again, but that contradicts what He says about having come from Heaven in order to return. The translators have fooled around plenty changing words and orders, even so, one can glean the jist of it by further reading. The bible always has a second or more witness to a given topic. Example: When Eve says " I have gotten a man (child) from the "Lord", one automatically assumes that this must be God (YHVH), The Father. One of Satan's many names is Baal. When one looks up Baal in the Strong's Concordance, we find that one of the entries for that title is.......you guessed it..."Lord". The same holds true for the word "earth", it can mean the entire globe, or just a particular land or country. One must piece the puzzle together and if a piece just does not fit, then the whole puzzle is amiss.

Elohim is always plural. It is God's celestial household, his sons, his children begotten of the Father. Yes the flesh is in the image of God and his family. Upon reading the bible we come across the word "Man" and this can mean Adam, for Adam and the generations thereof, Ish and Isha, which is Issue male and female or son or daughter. Israel is made up of three Hebrew words,
Issue Ruling with God - the word El is used for Lord as well. There is also Enosh,Geber,Nephalim, etc, and if one is not patient enough to look up every single synonomous word for "Man" , one gets confused as to who is who and what is what.

The Bible is specifically written to, for and about and by one particular people, which is why Christ said go only unto the house of Israel and that He came strictly for them. This is the household of God. Gentiles are those Adamites who are not directly linked to the tribes, but are grafted in for they have the same origins.
The people of the earth, or those in the terrestrial plane, created on the sixth day, must remain in the plane in which they were created, but as to being restricted mainly to planet earth is not known. The Universe has over a hundred and twenty six trillion suns and around each may have planets suitable for life.

One of the 163 books of the Bible which was not canonised is the book of Enoch. In it he describes being taken up in a whirlwind, not unlike the highly polished bronze circular ships in Ezekiel. Enoch numbered the planets as 10, which he called the wanderers (for they were not stationary objects, but followed orbital paths). He was taken to what he was told as heaven and even though he said he was no longer in the flesh, he could not tell a difference (same body type). Once there he was told to observe and to write down what he saw.
When leaving the vessel he was on, he was hesitant to step down on what he said was a plane of light, but did so and he said the light was rigid, for it did hold me. He saw thousands of craft like the one he had been on and he asked just who all these were that were coming and going. He was told that all that he saw were his brethren and that he had come from there and that he would return.
I am simply reporting what I read and make no claims one way or another. I do find it plausible.
Just as there are sounds we cannot hear, there is light we cannot see. Waveforms vary tremendously in each. Atomic structure depends on the atom behaving in a certain way. Matter can be changed by changing the waveform of the atom. One can destroy a building, but those atoms are still present, just not in the order that they were in previously. The electron revolves around the nucleus at a rate of the speed of light and generate a frequency of vibration. One can manipulate the vibration and create change, as in melting ore to make steel. It is a liquid in very high temperatures, and a solid at lower temperatures.
Light too has a frequency vibration and by changing the frequency, one can make light a solid - for any purpose. Who would have ever thought that light could be used to burn holes in solid objects made of a variety of materials, the Laser.
Now, light can change the atomic structure of objects, but the atom has no effect on light.
In certain frequencies, light and atoms cannot coexist and since atoms have no effect on light, light will change the structure of the atom even to its very frequency at which it exists.
Flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven
That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit.
Flesh is of the atom
Spirit is of light.

Orionsbelt 77

I am going to stick with what I have found on my own

Many of use do this Orion. For me, I do it because I have that unction that what I believe is true, and of course I feel this unction is devine.

It's possible that because we are individuals, God treats our beliefs on an individual basis, as long as you adhear to His main plan. I never thought about it this way until just now.

I have come under attack and yet here I am still and for what?

I dont like the attack, defending ones beliefs are one thing, malicious name calling and jibs are not really neccessary. I dont condone it, but I do understand it. We all feel that unction for what we believe to be the truth, and its our job as Christians to spread that word. Sometimes we get carried away, and rather than having a battle of the minds, some of us get offended and it comes out on our typing.

The seeds will take hold and grow if they land on fertile soil, and that is all one can do.

Well said, and I hope thats what we all are trying to accomplish

Why not read Ezra 9&10 just for fun.

Why not pull your head out of your ass and think rather than imagine things that your god is telling you through your misinterpretation of passages of one of the many books making up the bible. it's not the infallible book you hold it up to be - it was written by man, and has suffered translation after translation after translation. We don't even have the originals. Who's to say what the Lord really said? But I do not, will not believe that he honestly condemns interracial relationships.

And you're still an assclown.