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If you have one original, but make 5000 copies of the original and then many more copies are made from the copies of the original how accurate do you think they'd be? Can they be trustworthy? I'd say yes. Because we have so much information to go by.

We have in possession over 5000 original copies of the Greek NT. Something like 5,500 from a very early date. We can take those original copies and make comparisons. Here and there maybe a scribal error but having so many original copies on hand is proof enough for me to believe that what we hold today in our hands is what God intended us to have.

These copies are far and away the most we have of any ancient work, yet these other ancient works are never questioned. Why? If this was a collection of secular writings, their authenticity would generally be regarded as beyond all doubt.

Sir Frederic Kenyon, former director and principal librarian of the British Museum, was one of the foremost experts on ancient manuscripts and their authority. Shortly before his death he wrote this concerning the NT.

"The interval between the dates of original composition (of the NT) and the earliest extant evidence becomes so small as to be in fact negligible, and the last foundation for any doubt that the scriptures have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed. Both the authenticity and the general integrity of the books of the NT may be regarded as finally established." (The Bible and Archaeology, pp 288-89.)

But I do not, will not believe that he honestly condemns interracial relationships.

I still can't buy it either.

These copies are far and away the most we have of any ancient work, yet these other ancient works are never questioned. Why?

Satan does not care as much about other publications.

Satan does not care as much about other publications.

  

XYTHE & CO.

Lots to catch up on here. Now you know very well that a Crow and a Robin make a Crobin
A Turtle and a Frog make a Trog. And of course it is well known that a mule was originally called a Honkey.

The Adamic race is a separate line in and of itself. The Adamic race is divided only by tribe, not by sub-species.
The bible follows Adam's seed through Shem, not Ham or Japeth, for the progeny of those two disappear. By the time Abraham gets to Canaan it is filled with peoples not of Adam's seed at all. There is no listing of Ham' s or Japeth's seedline once they migrate, and none of the peoples listed are of their pedigree. They did not form other races, they were absorbed by the races that were already there.
If one couple of a single race could produce a multiplicity of races, you have to then explain why and how it stopped and resumed producing the race of initial origin and why given all this time there would not be one large mongrel race with no differing charateristics from one person at one end of the globe to another.
God's explanation is pure and simple: All races except Adam's were created before the eighth day, thousands of years before Adam ever arrived. Those races were given their lands and God Himself set the bounds thereof.

Fossil records of humans pre-date the arrival of Adam. The chinese have only been chinese, indians of their varied sort - Central American, South American, Siberian, North American, etc, have been preserved. Blacks have been preserved, The tan race of the Assyrians are still in Egypt, and they have all been here for thousands of years before Adam.
Adam was the first to till the ground for food. We grow wheat, Asians have rice for their wheat and obtain much if not all of what sustains them from water - rice and seafood.
Other races , some nomadic, were provided their food wherever they find it, remember them being given dominion and having all seed bearing plants for food? All those things God provided for them, they did not need to plant, nurture and harvest anything.

Now, when Abraham makes his eldest servant swear by the Lord, the God of heaven that he not take a wife for his son Isaac from the peoples of Canaan, to instead go unto Abraham's own kindred (remember that Abraham was told by God Himself that Abraham's seed would carry the lineage), and therefore there were no Adamites in the area and thus the lineage of Ham and Japeth were no longer available. They were either absorbed or died off.
The only other tracable people that were in the area were the Kenites and they were not of Adam, but they later attached themselves to the tribe of Judah and for that Judah was cut off - remember the stick was broken?
The other peoples in that area were mixed with the Nephiim, and for that Abraham's servant must travel back to where Abraham came from to seek a wife for Isaac. This was not for any religious purpose, but for continuing of the seedline.........what, do you think Abraham was dissappointed that the local girls were Catholic,and he preferred a Lutheran? Racial purity is the name of the game here.

Lets move up to the New Testament now and listen in on this conversation between Christ and the Canaanite woman........
Remember the Canaanite woman was chasing after Christ , wanting him to aid her for her daughter was vexed with a devil, and He answered her not a word (Ignored).
The disciples asked that Christ send her away and Christ's response was " I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
She then said "Lord, help me". Christ responded "It is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to the dogs"
She said "Truth Lord, yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their master's table"
By her acknowledgment that she knew she was not one of the children, not one of the sheep, but as a dog, Christ granted her request, but up to that point ,Christ wanted nothing to do with her.
Funny how we never hear this story in church, huh? Unless one spins the living hell out of it, taken as it is, it is self explanatory.

Now as to the accuracy of the bible. Yes in the english translation there is much wrong with it, hence the need for the Strong's, and subsequent versions are even more corrupt. But the original Greek and Hebrew texts are intact.
The Hebrew Massorah, for example is a page with text , but it has a border surrounding the text. In this border are instructions for copying. Every letter, every aleph, every sentence is numbered. It cannot be altered, for a finished copy was examined by the scribe that had written out the first copy and the scribe next in line was present for the examination as well, and his next copy would then be examined for accuracy. It is as brilliant as it is foolproof.
It is only when it is translated that a scribe, if he is so minded, can change things around, and with all the confusion surrounding the bible as it is presented in english, this tampering is abundantly clear.
As I said, we still have a way to take the english back to the Greek and Hebrew, to cast some light into the darkness.

Your very favorite Assclown-
Orionsbelt 77

LITTLE WHIP

I just may have to refer to you as "Little Horn" soon.
I was tempted at once to disregard your question, but then my silence would soon come into question by others chomping at the bit to see just how I respond to the bait. You do not camoflauge your snares, but garnish your web with subtlety.

I would enact no law regarding mixing of races, for that law already exists. All I have done is point out where the bible does reference these things and perhaps save some people great embarrassment in the future.
You continually strive to link me with something I am not and that seems to rile you for reasons that are not clear, unless as to catch me unawares as if to shout in triumph "You see! I told you guys that OB77 was a - fill in the blank!
Though what I expound and difuse may be similar to others, it has none effect on me or what I will continue to say in these hallowed halls of J.U.
Even the enemies of the Kingdom itself do I leave alone, for they will be gathered up at the harvest by the angels. tied into bundles and burned, but I shall not refrain from identifying them. They are of the serpent. I have been instructed to be wiser than the serpent and a word to the wise is sufficient.

OB77

Racial purity is the name of the game here.

This is true. It was very essential that the bloodline be intact for the coming of the Messiah. I agree here with you on this.

But as far as interacial marriages, we are not now bound by this. I see nothing of this anywhere in scripture outside of this, and for this reason only. We are not in fear of polluting any bloodline for any other Messiah. Again, we are to be yoked spiritually not racially.

Think about Rahab and Ruth for instance. Both married into the faith and heritage of the Jews, and both are mentioned in the lineage of Christ. Rahab was a Prostitute and Ruth was a Moabitess, of a people considered to be enemies of God.

The disciples asked that Christ send her away and Christ's response was " I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" She then said "Lord, help me". Christ responded "It is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to the dogs" She said "Truth Lord, yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their master's table" By her acknowledgment that she knew she was not one of the children, not one of the sheep, but as a dog, Christ granted her request, but up to that point ,Christ wanted nothing to do with her.

She was not a JEW. She was a Gentile. That's all. What does this have to do with interracial marriages? What Jesus was saying was that He came for His own. Gentiles were called Dogs by the Jews. Jesus came for His own but his own rejected Him. Salvation was offered to the JEWS first. Goes quite well with the principle of scripture that says one is to take care of his own first. If they don't they are called infidels. Jesus was doing the same.

We see quite clearly tho later, that He gives them up (Jews) and leaves the Temple for good. He even calls it "their house" in contrast to "My house."

As far as the English translations are concerned. No they are not perfect, but they are very accurate without any true meaning being lost in the transfer of the languages. ESV and the NASB from what I understand are very literal, as close to the original languages as can be done and the best bet for those so dedicated to the diligent study of God's word.

KFC.

She was not a gentile, she was a canaanite. Among the Canaanite peoples, not one was out of the seedline of Adam.
The law was kind unto kind and Christ said He did not come to change one jot, iota or aleph of the law, so it still stands, there is no expiration date.
Remember Mamzer? The great transgressions of race mixing in Ezra 9&10? Abraham wanting one of his own kind for his son?

Matthew chapter 5, verses 17-20, in a nutshell ,states that Christ did not come to destroy the law, that heaven and earth shall pass away before the law passes away, and anyone who breaks even the least of the laws and teaches others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jews and Israel are not one and the same. Never were, never will be.



Get used to your new name, Least.

I'm not sure if anyone knows about the fact that the flood story isn't unique to just the bible. In fact the story of a flood, in which a boat/ark is buildt and 2 of every creature and a bird is released and returns with a branch of a tree is actually one of the first recorded stories ever written, that survives today.

This was written in on cuneiform, in Mesopotamia some 3200-2600 BC, before the pyramids, before civilizations developed farming and empires and expansion.

It's really interesting since nobody who was around is here to tell us what it was like and we can only gather what we can think of the pictographs which were their written language. For a long time a historical artifact called the rosetta stone was lost and until found prevented us from knowing the pictographs were actually more then just art, but a language.

I'm not sure if anyone knows about the fact that the flood story isn't unique to just the bible. In fact the story of a flood, in which a boat/ark is buildt and 2 of every creature and a bird is released and returns with a branch of a tree is actually one of the first recorded stories ever written, that survives today.

yes, I've actually repeated this many times here on JU. Just about every culture has a flood story in their origins. I believe that it all comes from the story in Genesis and that this is a story of non fiction not fiction.

It's really interesting since nobody who was around is here to tell us what it was like and we can only gather what we can think of the pictographs which were their written language.

Nice circle talk.

yes, I've actually repeated this many times here on JU. Just about every culture has a flood story in their origins. I believe that it all comes from the story in Genesis and that this is a story of non fiction not fiction.

I disagree with you my friend. I believe that each area was flooded out and each area saved what they could which would explain the diversity of animal life on the planet. I also believe that God told each race in each area to do as was done with the ark. It would explain how some people were found after the flood, Noah's people met and mated with someone.