Because in Genesis it says the Garden of Eden had 4 rivers running through it. Two are the Euphrates and Tigris. We all know where those two rivers can be found....Iraq. Iraq has always been called the "cradle of civilization". Later in scripture we see Abraham was called out of UR which is Mesopotomia which again is in Iraq.

It never says what the names of those rivers are, it's all just hearsay and speculation. The bible doesn't name 'em, so why should we? And why does it matter anyway?

It never says what the names of those rivers are, it's all just hearsay and speculation. The bible doesn't name 'em, so why should we?

Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

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chiddeqel
khid-deh'-kel
Probably of foreign origin; the Chiddekel (or Tigris) river: - Hiddekel.

Dosent mean The Garden of Eden was in Iraq or Turkey, but the Bible does mention it.

L-w, Gen 2:7 doesnt say receive and souls are mentioned in Gen 1. The same word you translated as soul for 2:7. But you said the first mention was Gen 2:7?

Which book are you reading?

I want to know so I can check out why theres a difference.

LITTLE WHIP

Why, I am beginning to like you. I do not feel like such a lone voice in the wilderness anymore.
It would appear that you have done some homework and looked a few things up in the hebrew.

XYTHE

Why not do yourself a favor and get yourself a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible?
Adam was the first of his kind. He was the first of the sons of God to be placed in a flesh body IN THE TERRESTRIAL PLANE, which is earth.
The heavens where Adam came from are the CELESTIAL PLANES. All other races were created here on earth in the terrestrial plane.
As Christ told Nicodemus, when asked how one could participate in the Kingdom of God, that one must be born in heaven and then born into flesh.
Some call it "born again" but it is actually "twice born" - if you were not born in heaven first, you cannot return, for there is no celestial counterpart for your spirit to reside in.
Therefore all those who were created on earth stay here. Those who were begotten of the Father, return to the Father.
That which is flesh is flesh, and that which is spirit is spirit. Flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

KFC.

Now you are saying that the flood wiped out the dinosaurs? Noah was here 65 million years ago?
Why didn't Noah move to higher ground? Good Grief man! For one ,God did not instruct Noah to move to higher ground, now did He?
The reason for the flood was to rid the area of the Giants. Noah and his family were the last pure adamites, and since Christ was to come through that seedline, it had to be preserved.
All other races of people were unaffected by the flood, because they lived where the flood was not.
You also say that Shem, Ham and Japeth repopulated the earth..........FOLLOW THE SEEDLINE! When Abraham moved into Canaan, it was ALREADY occupied. Giants were there as well. They escaped the flood , for the flood did not affect the land of Canaan.
Since when do two people of any race have intercourse and produce children of yet another, different race?
That's what the flood destroyed in the first place....mutants and mongrels and hybrids. Mixing anything is a transgression of God's law.
You will swallow a camel, but choke on a gnat. To believe that Ham created the blacks.........Yes, Ham in the Hebrew, means black, but he was not black, just as someone by the name of Green is not green in color. One must do some fancy footwork to believe that Noah produced a black child, an asian, indian, and so forth.
Noah and his family were Adamites, from Adam. The word Adam in the hebrew is a description of the color of the complection - ruddy, rosy, to blush, to turn red in the face through embarrassment or anger. All of Adam's seed have this trait.
When Adam's name first appears in Genesis, it is : 'eth-'ha'adham - the first, this one, this same adam. The first of the Elohim to be placed on earth in a flesh body with a ruddy complection. He was the first to till the ground, the first farmer.

The tribes of Israel moved northward over the Caucusus mountains and up into Europe...Esau went into Russia.
This is where we picked up the moniker "Caucasian".
Know anyone who fits this description?

Orion,

I do in fact use a Strongs dictionary.

Adam was the first of his kind. He was the first of the sons of God to be placed in a flesh body IN THE TERRESTRIAL PLANE, which is earth.

The only place I know of where flesh bodies reside is on the earth, or as you call it the terrestrial plane. Adam (the first) was the first living soul. I feel on this we are in agreement.

The reason for the flood was to rid the area of the Giants. Noah and his family were the last pure adamites, and since Christ was to come through that seedline, it had to be preserved.

I agree.

All other races of people were unaffected by the flood, because they lived where the flood was not.

I'm not sure about this. God said he was going to destroy all but that that resided on the ark. How expansive the flood was? I'm inclined to believe as interpreted that the flood was expansive enough to destroy everything he created on the earth, except for those on the ark itself.

You also say that Shem, Ham and Japeth repopulated the earth..........FOLLOW THE SEEDLINE! When Abraham moved into Canaan, it was ALREADY occupied. Giants were there as well. They escaped the flood , for the flood did not affect the land of Canaan. Since when do two people of any race have intercourse and produce children of yet another, different race?

I have followed the seedline. It's all in scripture. Yes when Abraham moved to Canaan it was occupied. Gen 10 shows how. Read about Nimrod in Gen 10 (well before Abraham). He was another anti-Christ figure in scripture. He was born in the line of Ham. The Generations of Ham read this way:

Cush, Mizraim, Put and Canaan
Sons of Cush: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and Sabeca
Sons of Raamah; Sheba and Dedan
Cush was the father of Nimrod who was a mighty hunter (of men's souls) before the Lord. He went on to build Babylon, Erech, Akhad and Calneh. From there he went to Assyria where he built Ninevah and many other places. I think of him as an ancient Alexander the Great but instead of conquering, he built nations.

Scripture records:

"Later the Canaanite clans scattered and the borders of Canaan reached from Sidon toward Gerar as far as Gaza and then toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboim as far as Lasha. These are the sons of Ham by their clans and languages in their territories and nations." Gen 10.

This is just from the line of Ham only. Ham was cursed of God. Notice Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon and Assyria all enemies of God started here with the line of Ham. God later destroyed Ninevah best known during Jonah's time.

So in fact it shows that Ham did start his own race so to speak even tho he came from Noah. You can read about the other two sons as well. Totally different and in totally different areas.

In the next chapter all were scattered all over the globe and by the time Abraham came along there were giants once again in the land. Goliath was one of them.

This had nothing to do with any living thru the flood. They all came from these three sons. As you can see just with Ham, quite a bit got populated and fairly quickly. They lived much longer then, had huge families so it's not hard to comprehend.

Why not do yourself a favor and get yourself a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible? Adam was the first of his kind. He was the first of the sons of God to be placed in a flesh body IN THE TERRESTRIAL PLANE, which is earth. The heavens where Adam came from are the CELESTIAL PLANES. All other races were created here on earth in the terrestrial plane. As Christ told Nicodemus, when asked how one could participate in the Kingdom of God, that one must be born in heaven and then born into flesh. Some call it "born again" but it is actually "twice born" - if you were not born in heaven first, you cannot return, for there is no celestial counterpart for your spirit to reside in. Therefore all those who were created on earth stay here. Those who were begotten of the Father, return to the Father. That which is flesh is flesh, and that which is spirit is spirit. Flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

Can you show me where Jesus said you had to be born first of spirit then flesh? Its interesting that you say that fleshly beings stay on earth while celestial beings go somewhere else. Is this how you understand the remnant or nations the earth is promised to in prophecy?

Since when do two people of any race have intercourse and produce children of yet another, different race?

Orion,

I know we tend to use human science to help us understand certain spiritual/biblical events, but it just dosent always work out that way.

Since when is a flesh body born without any interaction between a man and a women (ie. immaculate conception)?
Since when do you see people walking around raising the dead? Turning water into wine?

Mixing anything is a transgression of God's law.

Just a question, then, concerning this viewpoint . . .

Do you find interracial relationships a "transgression" of your god's law?

Do you find interracial relationships a "transgression" of your god's law?

Personally, IMHO, no.

Sex and love.

Of all the sins people commit in their lives, it would not surpise me in the slightest should "sins of the flesh" be the most common.

God knew what he was doing when he made "sex" a requirement for survival. He had to make it so people would really like to have sex, and he made that core in our design. God is well aware of how humans feel about attraction, flirting, touching sensually, and so forth. He knows what it takes to overcome even the thought of having sex with a person one is attracted to (fantasies). God I feel will be VERY merciful to those that repent their lusts.

God, is a loving god. He loves us all, especially when we please him. God loves black, white, asian, indian...all of us, regardless of race or color. We were also created in Gods image. Why in the heavens would God fault us for being like him, loving people regardless of race?


San Chonio: This is a great question because it has great bearing over where the races originated from. I anticipate commenting further as others respond:)

Its interesting that you say that fleshly beings stay on earth while celestial beings go somewhere else.

I find it interesting as well. It goes without saying that flesh beings cannot traverse the heavens. I know theres more to what Orion is saying here. I'm hoping he will elaborate a bit more

Reply #30 Mixing anything is a transgression of God's law. Just a question, then, concerning this viewpoint . . . Do you find interracial relationships a "transgression" of your god's law?

I know you're probably asking Orion this question since he first made the comment. I hope you don't mind my butting in....  

I've read all of scripture in search of that question once before. God is not a racial God. He does not look at the external but is concerned with the internal. What I found very clear is that God does not want his people to be unequally yoked, that is a believer with an unbeliever. That's why he forbid the Jews to inter marry with the Heathens. Paul talks about this as well in the NT. Not being unequally yoked is a good principal to follow not only with marriage but also things like business ownership, owning property together or getting into business deals or contracts with an unbeliever. All these things can (and I've seen this happen)be a mess later on because like two oxen unequally yoked together, one wants to go one way and the other the opposite. Somebody usually gets hurt.

XYTHE
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SAN CHONINO



Yes, as a matter of fact, race mixing is a transgression of God’s law.
To start with, when God created all the living creatures in the beginning of Genesis, you will notice that He states that each is after its kind. Over and over again after its kind is repeated for emphasis.
Each creature will produce itself by bearing young. The plants and trees which bear seed produce only its kind. A seed has a specific set of instructions to follow and never varies, for that is the way God set it in motion. Sperm is also seed. Seed in humans represent offspring or generations.
Wildlife species never mix. You never see a Robin mix with a Crow or a Frog mix with a Turtle.
As far as domestic animals are concerned, we were instructed not to mix one kind with another.
One can mix a horse and a donkey to produce a mule, but to get another mule one must mix another horse and another donkey, for mules cannot reproduce.
The same is true with crops. We were not to mix seeds in the field.

Now, as to people. All races of people except the Adamic race were part of the creations of the generations of the heavens and the earth. God set those races in their own lands, and set the bounds thereof.
The Assyrian Empire was vast and mighty well before Adam ever arrived (Ezekiel ch.31).
The first case of mixing races occurred in the Garden. Satan’s first attempt at stopping God’s plan.
The second was when the fallen angels mixed with the daughters of Adam. The Holy seed was corrupted except for Noah and his family. The flood destroyed all that had been corrupted. It did not encompass the entire earth, for Adam’s seed was only in that specific land. All the other races in different parts of the world were unaffected.

The word ‘bastard’ first occurs in Deuteronomy ch 23 v2: “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord”
In Hebrews ch 12 v 8, it reads “ But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”
The Hebrew word for bastard is Mamzer and is the word used for a person of mixed race.
The seedline has been corrupted and that offspring is not considered a son or daughter, for it is confusion.


Ezra chapters 9 & 10. Read both chapters, then read them again.
Ch 9 v 2 : “For they have taken of their daughters for themselves and, for their sons : so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands”
Ch 10 v 2 : “ We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land”
Ch 10 v 10 : “We have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel”
The Hebrew word for strange is Nokriy (nok ree) and Nekar, meaning foreign, alien, different, heathen, non-relative, adulterous.
To adulterate something is to corrupt it, therefore to procreate with one not of your race is to adulterate, or corrupt the seedline, which is against God’s law of kind after kind.
To say that the world was destroyed as a result of the corruption of the seedline of Adam, and then turn around and say that corruption should resume and is well and good is lunacy.
Corruption of the Holy Seed impedes the overall plan of Our Father. Since Satan has not the ability to create, his only recourse is that of the destruction of the things God has made.
Satan is the father of corruption, and he sees to it every chance he gets and by the way things appear, he has many willing participants to aid him in this endeavor.
Whose team will you be on………Satan’s………or God’s?

Orionsbelt 77