It makes you wonder...with a perfectly good human just inside...

Well, some people are just......something.

~Zoo

Well, some people are just......something.

Remember Zoo, whatever kind of person you could possibly imagine inside your mind, she/he is out there.

I suppose that's how the expression "sick puppy" got started.

I suppose that's how the expression "sick puppy" got started.

Im glad you said something to this effect Mason, as it got me to thinking.

Generally bestiality is considered a crime against nature. My guess is that is so because a human and a dog (in this case) cannot produce offspring. This seems to be a common thread between homosexuals and those that paractice beastiality. As odd as it seems, another common thread is both forms of sexual deviancy can form loving relationships with their partners. Also interesting to note that not all people practicing beastiality do so with partners of the same sex. In fact, this is often not the case.

As odd as it seems, another common thread is both forms of sexual deviancy can form loving relationships with their partners.

Riiight. Sex between two consenting human adults - who can communicate their intentions in a socially discernable way - is equal in your eyes to sex between a human and a dumb animal (and I'm using dumb in the 'unable to speak' sense).

This could only be true if you completely ignore the conclusions of vetinary science. You may think your dog is in love with you when you sodomise it, but amongst dogs sodomy is a sign of power, not love. The pack leader will sodomise other dogs to establish rank and power.

In human society such sexual relations are called rape.

If you're attracted to animals, go bugger a furry with your eyes closed. Don't take the NAMBLA line and assume something thinks the same way as you do about sex and love simply because they don't understand the question.

is equal in your eyes to sex between a human and a dumb animal

Never said a word about anything being equal to anything else, rather pointed out a couple of similarities.

If you're attracted to animals, go bugger a furry with your eyes closed. Don't take the NAMBLA line and assume something thinks the same way as you do about sex and love simply because they don't understand the question.

I'm not advocating sex with animals by any means anymore than I advocate homosexuality, but how can one tell what a dog is thinking? How does one know what a dog is knows, I have a hard enough time wondering what other people are thinking about. That leads me to wonder how we can tell what an animal understands.

But what do the experts say:

The common concept of animals as heterosexual and only interested in their own species, is seen as scientifically inaccurate by researchers into animal behavior. Animals are, in the main, considered as sexual opportunists by science, rather than sexually naïve. Ethologists such as Desmond Morris who study animal behavior, as well as formal studies, have consistently documented significant masturbation and homosexuality in a wide range of animals, apparently freely chosen or in the presence of the opposite gender, as well as homosexual animal couples, homosexual raising of young, and cross-species sexual advances. Haeberle (1978) states that sexual intercourse is "not so very unusual" between animals of different species as it is between humans and animals, a view with which Kinsey (1948, 1953) concurs. (Kinsey et al. (1948, p. 668) states "When one examines the observed cases of such crosses... one begins to suspect that the rules about intraspecific mating are not so universal as tradition would have it". Kinsey et al. (1953) further point out that genetic studies have shown the existence of a "large number" of inter-specific hybrids, that have occurred in the wild. (Cited: Miletski, 1999, p.51)(Wiki)

I do not judge people who partake in sodomizimg animals or homosexuality, nor do I claim to know the thoughts and feelings of any animal. However, in my opinion, both bestiality as well as homosexuality are un-natural.

As a side note, I wonder if Mrs McPhail is allowed to keep the pictures she took. Are they not unlawful to posess in the state of Washington?

Washington state is where they have that farm for fans of beastiality. You got to wonder about their laws. Or about people that think they know what an animal wants.

I do not judge people who partake in sodomizimg animals or homosexuality, nor do I claim to know the thoughts and feelings of any animal. However, in my opinion, both bestiality as well as homosexuality are un-natural.

In case you can't tell, that's a judgement. In one sentence you explain that homosexuality is actually natural, and then you go on to give your judgement that despite all evidence it's unnatural.

The key difference between bestiality and homosexuality for me - and perhaps you missed this in my post - is that animals have no capacity to consent to sex with a human and as such inter-racial sex is always rape. I don't think my opinion is rare, and it may even be a driving force behind anti-bestiality laws in your home country. If not perhaps it should be. Bestiality certainly isn't forbidden purely because no offspring is created.

These kinds of charges always intrigue me. How on earth does a person get charged with animal cruelty, whe the alleged victim cannot testify that the act was in itsef cruel. It seems to me a mature pitbull is more than equipped to "refuse" sex with a person, should the dog feel he/she is not being "pleased".

It says in the article that the dog "squealing and crying". So I imagine the poor thing wasn't having a good time. Not to mention the ratio in size of a human male penis to a dog's vagina. Ouch. Also, dogs do not have sex for pleasure, only procreation. Only humans, bonobos, and dolphins have sex for pleasure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse#Functions_of_sex_beyond_reproduction

http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/pleasure.htm


Also, there's nothing to say that the wife was jealous and had the dog taken away. The article simply states that Assistant Pierce County Prosecutor Karen Watson stated that the dog was taken by animal control. You seem to imply that it was the wife's bidding by stating it all in one sentence.

I find it interesting that you make fun of something like this.

Personally I couldn't care less if two adult men wan't to bugger each other; none of my business. I really don't see how one can equate that with bestiality.

If you're out buggering some poor innocent animal you're a sick shit.

Washington state is where they have that farm for fans of beastiality. You got to wonder about their laws. Or about people that think they know what an animal wants.

It does rain a lot in WA. I guess some residents can get pretty creative with their "bored" time.

In case you can't tell, that's a judgement. In one sentence you explain that homosexuality is actually natural, and then you go on to give your judgement that despite all evidence it's unnatural.

You have a good point here Cacto. Unfortunately whether something is natral or otherwise has little to do with my opinion. Just as I do not judge the rising and setting of the sun, the fact remains that it is a natural process. Is an opinion a judgement?

The key difference between bestiality and homosexuality for me - and perhaps you missed this in my post - is that animals have no capacity to consent to sex with a human and as such inter-racial sex is always rape.

The problem here is, how does one know what capacity animals have to consent? Perhaps they consent by means we can or cannot perceive. I do't know, perhaps there are ceertain people that can perceive this.

I don't think my opinion is rare, and it may even be a driving force behind anti-bestiality laws in your home country.

No, I don't think it's rare either. In fact I tend to share a portion of your argument, and it probably reflects the majority.

Bestiality certainly isn't forbidden purely because no offspring is created.

Well beastiality is not forbidden world-wide, nor in every US state. So what does this mean?

It says in the article that the dog "squealing and crying".

Yep, I saw that as well. However, they don't mention that the dog tried to get away either. I would think that if you were doing something to a pit bul that it did not like, this dog that has been bread for fighting would make some reasonable effort to get away.

Not to mention the ratio in size of a human male penis to a dog's vagina.

Im not so certain about the size of a dimentions of a dogs vagina vs that of a human vagina. Can you please show me somthing that compares the two?

Also, dogs do not have sex for pleasure, only procreation. Only humans, bonobos, and dolphins have sex for pleasure.

I'm not certain we are reading the same artcle. I'm looking at the link you posted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse#Functions_of_sex_beyond_reproduction) and I read this:

Humans, bonobos[1] and notably dolphins[2] are all species known to have non-reproductive sex, apparently for the sake of pleasure. All three engage in heterosexual behaviors even when the female is not in estrus, that is, at a point in her reproductive cycle suitable for successful impregnation. Likewise, all three sometimes engage in homosexual behaviors.[3] That is not to say that homosexuality and non-reproductive heterosexuality are limited to these three species; rather, they are unusual for female receptivity to sex independent of estrus.

Please note the underlined passages that contradict your statement.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/pleasure.htm

This link leads to statements that say dolphins, Bonobos, and Humans are the only 3 species that will coupulate strictly for pleasure. However, there is ony one source for the statement, a book written by a lamen who does not appear to have any valid credentials to make such statements.(Link) Perhaps they reside in his book bibliography. If you can find some, please let me know as I am always willing to accept credible arguments. On the other hand, the Wiki article has a fine list of expert opinions to support its article.

Also, there's nothing to say that the wife was jealous and had the dog taken away.

I never in fact said the article said anything like this. This is what I said, "I guess Mrs. McPhail might have been a little jealous of the sceen; the dog was taken by animal control."

It was my personal guess.

You seem to imply that it was the wife's bidding by stating it all in one sentence.

Your losing me here.

I find it interesting that you make fun of something like this.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I dont see any emoticons on any of my posts. Even if I did find any humor in all this, it would be like me to find at least a shread of humor in some of the wierd crap that goes down in our world today; helps keep me sane through all the madness.

Personally I couldn't care less if two adult men wan't to bugger each other; none of my business. I really don't see how one can equate that with bestiality.

I could care less about two men getting it on as little as I care that any person was doing so with an animal. However all sex between homosexuals is in fact sodomy, just as it is with people coupling with animals. Thats the common thread to these sexual deviants.

If you're out buggering some poor innocent animal you're a sick shit.

My opinion is not far off the mark of this statement. However, each to her/his own.

Washington state is where they have that farm for fans of beastiality. You got to wonder about their laws. Or about people that think they know what an animal wants. It does rain a lot in WA. I guess some residents can get pretty creative with their "bored" time.

Indeed! I gave up wondering as it was disturbing my sleep. They have not given up thinking of new perversions tho.