The babble of a middle-aged lunatic.
Published on December 28, 2006 By Xythe In Blogging
What on earth is the purpose of our children having a cell phone in the classroom. For that matter, do teachers need phones in the classroom as well?

We send our kids to school to learn, not to chat on the phone. We pay our teachers to do a job, teach our children, not to worry about who is trying to get ahold of them during class time.

As I see it, cell phones are little less than a nuisance in the classroom. A distraction that disrupts both the teachers ability to effectively teach, and our kids ability to effectively learn.

I can see that safety or medical school personel carrying a cell phone, but not any teacher or instructor that is on our kids time in class.

Kids should have use of their phones on their personal time, for needs such as making travel arrangements and what not, but not during their learning time.

I heard from one of my friends children that a new ringtone, which is not audible to adults, but only to children has now been developed. Where will it stop?

My feeling is that if a kid gets caught with a phone in the classroom, their parents should be fined. Increasing infractions should result in larger fines, to suspension and perhaps even expulsion. If kids cant respect this, and simply dont care to learn in a classroom, let them find another place to "hang out".

Teachers shoud receive disiplinary action as well. Fines and misconduct reports may do just the trick. If a teacher dont want to teach, perhaps they would be suited to some other occupation.

The classroom is a place of learning, not telephone conversations and what ever media teachers and childeren have access to over their cell phones. Kids need to learn, and teachers need to teach. After all, isnt that what we expect out of our tax dollars?

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on Dec 28, 2006
I am with Bakerstreet on this, if parents can't fix their kid's mronic and boorish attitude towards school it isn't tthe teachers job to try and do it. Kid wants to screw off in class to hell with them. We always need burger flippers and car wash attendants.
on Dec 28, 2006
I don't know what the situation you are talking about wherein teachers can't take phones that are being abused, remove kids from class, etc. Maybe if you had examples.


Yeah, my ex had a fit when the teacher took my daughters phone from her. I dont see that as being reasonable. Thats a 2 for one answer.

Who said they did?


The thesis is "cells in the classroom". You mentioned kids using a teachers phone. I figured you were speaking in context of the articles thesis. Perhaps I erred.

No, I don't believe it is the teacher's job to discipline a child.


You are contradicting yourself here Baker, or so it seems to me:

Kids that distract should be removed and let administration or parents deal with them, and if that doesn't work they should be expelled.


I assume the teacher is sending these distracting children out to the hall or whatever. Isnt that a disiplinary action?3

Do you have a child in school?


Yes, I do.


Are you a teacher?


While I do have a teaching credential, I am not a teacher. Are you?

I'm there about every day when it is in session.


Are you in a classroom that is in session almost every day? If you are, and are not instructing, wouldnt that be a distraction as well?

What exactly is the root of your complaint?


HHmmm, I believe I have mentioned more than once the cause of my complaint, though no complaint was implied in the article itself: The classroom is for teaching and learning, not to be wasted on students or teachers using a cell phone. To me its simply a waste of tax dollars, and deters from any progressive education (as any distraction would be).
on Dec 28, 2006
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I assume the teacher is sending these distracting children out to the hall or whatever. Isnt that a disiplinary action?"


Nope, that's removing a distraction. When you toss a bum out of a bar are you "disciplining" them? Parental responsibility shouldn't be imposed on the teacher. Teachers don't have the time to both teach kids their curriculum and how to behave at the same time.

I don't believe the government has any role in teaching kids to "behave" anyway, and if they do they'll just screw it up like they screw up everything else.

"The classroom is for teaching and learning, not to be wasted on students or teachers using a cell phone."


Yeah, what I was wondering was what gave you the idea that this is a huge problem. I'm wondering where teachers and students are using them in class. I don't ever believe removing privileges because inept teachers can't discipline the troublemakers in the minority.

To frame it in the same way as gun control, phones don't distract people, their owners do by misusing them.
on Dec 28, 2006
Nope, that's removing a distraction. When you toss a bum out of a bar are you "disciplining" them?


I'm sorry, I cant connect an adult (bum in a bar) to a child (being kicked out of a class), but, yes, I do see a child being sent from the classroom for disrupting the class, a form of disaplin. It seems the same to me as a parent sending their kid to their room for disrupting normal family affairs.

I don't believe the government has any role in teaching kids to "behave" anyway, and if they do they'll just screw it up like they screw up everything else.


The fact is that the government does in fact have a role indisaplining all of america, and does.

Yeah, what I was wondering was what gave you the idea that this is a huge problem.


Gottcha. I'm not all that certain that its a huge issue, but one worth mentioning. Im staying at a buddies house over the holidays, and one of their older kids showed me this new ringtone that children can hear, but we adults cannot. I was a bit more disturbed when I saw the nature of the text messages she had saved from in the classroom: Messages concerning partying, sexual connotation, answeres to a quiz etc. This to me is more than a slight disruption.

To frame it in the same way as gun control, phones don't distract people, their owners do by misusing them.


And we do not allow guns in the classrom either, as far as I know

on Dec 28, 2006
thats interesting - the ring tones Xythe. Just goes to show where there is a will there is a way, they will use their phones if they have them on them.
on Dec 28, 2006
"The fact is that the government does in fact have a role indisaplining all of america, and does."


LOL... wow. That's quite a statement. Unless you are equating child rearing to the penal system, I dunno really how there's any correlation. If you want kids treated like criminals, by all means, institutionalize them and teach them that the government is in control of their lives.

on Dec 28, 2006
I taught for a bit, and the cell phones were a complete pain in the fundament.

The school's solution was, if they had their cell phone out in class or it went off, it was confiscated and they had to go to the office and pay 15 bucks to get it back. For multiple offenses, the school could also hang on to it for lengthening periods of time.

It didn't stop them from bringing them, but man was it nice to see some of the disrespectful assclowns faces when you took their phones away. Not to say that they were all rude and disrespectful, but it sure as hell wasn't the polite ones playing with their phones in class.

Actually what usually worked best was the drill sergeant approach. Start out on total lock down, when you began working with a class, then back off by degrees. Send the worst offenders straight to the principal's office at the outset. Whenever you started out by being overly nice, they'd walk all over you. You might as well have had "Welcome" printed on your forehead.
on Dec 28, 2006
thats interesting - the ring tones Xythe. Just goes to show where there is a will there is a way, they will use their phones if they have them on them.


Not if they are not in the classroom
on Dec 28, 2006
If you want kids treated like criminals, by all means, institutionalize them and teach them that the government is in control of their lives.


No, just keep their cell phones out of the classroom. Thats all.

Besides, you seem to have no problem equating cell phones, the topic of this article with gun control and bums in bars.

But seriously now folks.
on Dec 29, 2006
You make no sense. You want to have them check them in the office? Maybe hire a 'phone check' girl to give you a ticket so you can get your phone at the end of the day? Maybe someone to hold their hand while they go potty?

Why punish anyone that hasn't done anything wrong? If they are distracting people, punish them. I don't understand why people want to take issues like this and tinker with them because of some esoteric ideal when all they have to do is punish the people who do things wrong.

We are raising generations of institutionalized kids who are just as much toddlers when they hit college as they are in kindergarten. We put all the accountability on everyone BUT the kids. Protect them from themselves for 12 years then turn them loose to destroy themselves.
on Dec 29, 2006
Hmm . . . I have a cell phone, put it on silence when I go into my classes, but I don't ever turn it off. Not even when I'm in the testing center. I don't usually pull it out in class (that would be disrespectful to the prof and usually I'm trying to pay attention) and never in the testing center, but I like to know when someone's trying to get ahold of me.

Besides, when the lecture really sucks, sometime text messaging is the only thing that keeps me from going ballistic on someone.

And all my professors have them.
on Dec 29, 2006
You make no sense.


I feel that I make perfect sence. The problem being, as you are inflexible to any opinion other than your own. You are entitled to think as you please.

You want to have them check them in the office?


I never said that, but odd how you thought of it. I've said what I think more than once. I wonder how it was before we had cell phones. I never took one to class, and guess what, I actually survived
Maybe some parents could step up to the plate; sounds like a plan to me.

Why punish anyone that hasn't done anything wrong?


I dont see how asking children to not use a phone in class is punishment.
on Dec 29, 2006
Besides, when the lecture really sucks, sometime text messaging is the only thing that keeps me from going ballistic on someone.


The difference is San Cho, is you are an adult, not a child. Im hoping you can see that difference; if not now, then perhaps when you have your own children
on Dec 29, 2006
The school's solution was, if they had their cell phone out in class or it went off, it was confiscated and they had to go to the office and pay 15 bucks to get it back. For multiple offenses, the school could also hang on to it for lengthening periods of time.


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